Doubled elastics?

#1

Calling all you cut cracks - would welcome your thoughts, views and advice

When 'punching' on one of the canals I fish it throws up lots of oz roach.

No 2 latex seems spot on, better than a soft no 4.

However 'rouge' stamp fish - skimmers to lb mark - can put in an appearance, leading do a bit of a merry dance on the no 2.

Even worse a tinca may show too..........

I'm just about to lackie another 3 tops I've just aquired and started pondering about a 'doubled up' no 2 lackie.

Everything I read about doubled elastics appears associated with the commercials - doubled no 4s, 6s and 8s etc for F1s, stamp roach etc through to larger stamp carp.

Are any of you guys using, or have used, say a doubled up no2 for your cut work?

Have you tried it and found any positive benefits?

Or tried it and knocked it the head?

Any thoughts, experiences or views welcomed before I get my diamond eye threader out........

Guest · #2

Have a "big fish" rig ready to swap over to

I doubt you can set up a rig to catch 1oz roach on and aim to catch tench without it hampering one of the two .... it will either be too light for the tench, or too heavy for the roach, one or the other will be hampered

Guest · #3

Another point

You'd be surprised just what u can get out on light tackle if its balanced .....

Although this still runs the risk of being run ragged by a fish

#4

TK,

Ive just made some long top 2's with doubled up 4s, 5s & 6s latex mainly for winter F1s and bonus lumps up to 6 - 7lb ...... not used em yet so cant comment but loads of anglers seem to like em

On the Walsall canal a few weeks ago i got 2 tench out through the ice using just 2s latex 0.08 mainline a 0.06 bottom with a 24s b/joker hook ..... one was just over a pound the other 2lb

If they dont break you on the first run i think you have a great chance of landing them

or im just a lucky tw*t

#5

TK I have recently started using doubled 5 and 6 on my silvers rigs. OK i do mainly fish commercials but have had plenty of fish on up to 9 metres out and am quite impressed with the way the laccy works.
I have had fish from 1oz roach to lb skimmers, roach and ide. the number 5 has coped easily with these plus a number of bonus fish from 3lb bream to 7lb carp. Obviously to cope when the laccy powers up you need to have slightly heavier line to cope. I have been using 0.12 with 0.10 hooklengths to 18 and 20 hooks. It may seem like carp gear to you but I am fishing commercials.

. Its also worth bearing in mind it is winter and the carp are not fighting anywhere near as hard as they do in summer.

I would suggest you give it a try as you can easily switch back to single laccy

#6

Learn how to set your elastic right and you don't need to double it.

bros · #7

Its a 2 rig job as Southy said, in my opinion. When there is a chance of a bigger bonus, I use the heavier rig first to "see" what is in the swim.
If there is a bigger fish, it will usually show early and you will get it on the heavier rig. If the bigger fish shows during your session, the swim usually dies just before you hook it. Just remember to use the heavier rig every time you return to that line!

Guest · #8

Learn how to set your elastic right and you don't need to double it.

I'd second that personally ... for canals ... I know alot of people have success doing it on commercials particularly at this time of year

#9

Cheers for the input guys.

The cut pole I’m currently using has 8 top kits which I’ve got lackied with 2 x 2 latex, 2 x 4 latex, 2 x 6 latex and 2 x 8 latex, the latter rarely used, only really coming into play in ‘summer’.

Whilst in winter I do have a ‘heavier’ rig set up alongside the 2s and 4s, the bonus fish can put in an appearance without ‘notice’ – unless I aint reading things right - hence my thoughts about possibly using a doubled no2 as I thought it may provide a little more control with these bonus fish, without losing that initial softness on the strike with the smaller silvers.

Learn how to set your elastic right and you don't need to double it.

In what way Chockie Munster – can you explain a little more?

Guest · #10

Cheers for the input guys.

The cut pole I’m currently using has 8 top kits which I’ve got lackied with 2 x 2 latex, 2 x 4 latex, 2 x 6 latex and 2 x 8 latex, the latter rarely used, only really coming into play in ‘summer’.

Whilst in winter I do have a ‘heavier’ rig set up alongside the 2s and 4s, the bonus fish can put in an appearance without ‘notice’ – unless I aint reading things right - hence my thoughts about possibly using a doubled no2 as I thought it may provide a little more control with these bonus fish, without losing that initial softness on the strike with the smaller silvers.

Learn how to set your elastic right and you don't need to double it.

In what way Chockie Munster – can you explain a little more?

He means ..... I am guessing ..... you would be surprised how uncompromising a number 4 can be compared to a 2 if its kept well lubed up, and set right, .....

and also a well set up number 2 can set the hook aswell and land bonus fish ...

I mean one thing to consider if u reckon your landin these skimmers on the number 2 elastics but getting run ragged, is try a number 3 set soft enugh to just creep back into the pole ..... means more control over those bonus fish without comprimising the delicate nature of the rig

But like Bros backed me up on, theres not really an easy way of targetting both Tinca's and 1oz roach on the same rig for a canal !

Guest · #11

Another thing i've seen on the shelves but not tryed myself personally but might be worth looking at

Middy do a 1-5 "hollow" elastic, it's that fine u can't really tell its hollow but it sounds like this would be the kind of situation to test such a thing on

endpeg · #12

On the Walsall canal a few weeks ago i got 2 tench out through the ice using just 2s latex 0.08 mainline a 0.06 bottom with a 24s b/joker hook ..... one was just over a pound the other 2lb :)
If they dont break you on the first run i think you have a great chance of landing them or im just a lucky tw*t

I had one on 0.06mm and No2 lakky too!

endpeg · #13

TK, although doubled elastics definitely work I dont think its the answer for this scenario. Instead, try a No3 elastic through THREE sections instead of a match top two. Fishing it through three sections will work almost as good as a No2 through two sections but wont bottom out as quickly and offers plenty more stretch if you hook anything bigger. If you still bump skimmers off on this then its not the elastic thats to blame.

#14

Cheers for all the input guys

If you still bump skimmers off on this then its not the elastic thats to blame.

I haven't had any noticable problem with bumping fish on the no 4, and perhaps I wasn't clear at the outset at what I was thinking of trying to achieve.

I guess I was looking for the 'best of two worlds' - the softness/forgiving nature of a number 2 on the strike and it's 'playing nature' as you ship back across the cut coupled with an added 'progressive' power to kick in to improve control over any of those bonus fish, and generally 'speed up' the time taken to land them rather than giving them more opportunity to 'play me' on a no 2 and find snags etc

Perhaps that 'best of both worlds' cannot be ultimately achieved with total satisfaction :-/

I've absolutely no experience what ever with doubled lackies in any grades, but intend to have a dabble with them during 2009.

As stated above, most write up's are associated wthl lackies 4 - 8, be interesting to 'experience' how 2s and 3s perform too. (Dont think I'll go as far as bothering with a doubled up no1

)

Cheers again guys - if you have anymore thoughts on the subject, keep 'em coming

Guest · #15

I got that u were after that but u can't really go for "best" of both worlds

u can have a rig to cope, and be good, but it would hamper one or the other like bros said .....

Tinca's and 1oz roach on cuts are too big an extreme to have a rig thats just right for both of them

like i said i have no experience with the stuff myself but it sounsd like jsut the thing to try middy's 1-5 "hollow" elastic on ..... if its any good this is the situation id try it in !

i think it can be tricky to get hold of tho :(

bros · #16

Sorry TK, I forgot to mention. One thing I do with all of my elastics (without even thinking now) is to double up when I tie it to the bung. I do not use these new winder-type bungs. Mine are just a loop to tie around. I tried to buy some today and found that they are getting hard to come across.

How I do it is to pass the lacky through the loop so that I have about 16inches one side and the main length on the other. Let the bung hang down and then "spin" the two pieces of elastic together, from the loop of the bung, to a length of about 10 inches. I spin it as tight as possible between thums and forefingers. The elastic sits together so long as you don't let go. Then tie a knot, tight to ensure it does not loosen as it will tend to do (wet it to prevent burn whilst tightening).

I tie another knot half way down the doubled elastic as back-up and the check that the first knot cannot stretch up to the pole tip where it could get stuck or damage the tip.

I have used this method for 20 years and never had any problems.

Hope this helps.

#17

Cheers Bros

Guest · #18

Sorry TK, I forgot to mention. One thing I do with all of my elastics (without even thinking now) is to double up when I tie it to the bung. I do not use these new winder-type bungs. Mine are just a loop to tie around. I tried to buy some today and found that they are getting hard to come across.

How I do it is to pass the lacky through the loop so that I have about 16inches one side and the main length on the other. Let the bung hang down and then "spin" the two pieces of elastic together, from the loop of the bung, to a length of about 10 inches. I spin it as tight as possible between thums and forefingers. The elastic sits together so long as you don't let go. Then tie a knot, tight to ensure it does not loosen as it will tend to do (wet it to prevent burn whilst tightening).

I tie another knot half way down the doubled elastic as back-up and the check that the first knot cannot stretch up to the pole tip where it could get stuck or damage the tip.

I have used this method for 20 years and never had any problems.

Hope this helps.

Never even thought bout that i'm same, double the lacky up at the bung without even thinkin bout it !

Never mentioned it cos i've never done anything but

bros · #19

Thanks master South. Glad I am not the only one. What about the rest of you? Do you do a "spiral" job or use these new winder jobs? Or do you do something different?