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Just for gudgeon or has it other uses????

TK its for drinking picardie n coke

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some too young to remember it TK

And there was me...........




thinking you was gunna tell me how to use it on Sat

Its great for gudgeon and its nice on cheese on toast

Some old T & M lads from the 80's use to mix it in with other stuff for roach. In fact I remember Steve Woollard using it only a few years ago.
Strong licquorice ingredient, never sure if it worked or not as so many gudgeon anglers in those days did fish a bit different.
I saw and fished with the best in those days for gudgeon and in my opinion Peter Plant was the best.
He certainly opened my eyes when I first went out west !
We T & M boys were mainly bulk with droppers, but Pete's rig of tiny shot in order to fish on the drop worked great and was a joy to watch ! I took this idea back to the T & M but used it to fish mainly over to catch both roach and gudgeon down the far shelf when balling first came in on the cut.
This way of fishing was brought down from the preston lads and the likes of Vinnie Smith, Mark Addy, Willy, etc.
Good matches back then, happy days !!!!
Big weights of gudgeon only seem to be on commercials now, how's that !!!!!!!!

Shame really that gudgeon dont win many matches on canals.I used to use picardie years ago on the Cov cut and Oxford where you could put in good weights of gobies. Those matches were far more equal than canals now where lots just sit out for chub or roach shoals in usual areas.

CWH - interesting point about P P's rig. I did 8lb of gobies on a club match last March on the Shroppy - and struggled for a bite on my bulk down rig, but on the same line with a diff rig

In the 80s our side won the National, three WLs, two Fish Aids and loads of other cut jobs mainly with a gudgeon approach. The big secret was keeping them coming.
True different rigs worked but only for a set time.

Our best 'gudgeon' bloke was Barry Bates, (anyone remember him?) a real gent and top angler. We didn't consider the rig as important as most made out. With us basically it was a 1 gram (yes that heavy) with a pear up float shotted to the bristle tip. Down the line was a great lump of 'iron', just a few inches from the hook and that was it. Sometimes a tiny shot two inches from the hook to straighten the line out. ::) All you did was jiggle it about in your feed not sit there like the proverbial parrot. It worked everywhere.

As for groundbait we tried everything known to man, including all the blood based mixes. The best we found was, wait for it, straightforward riddled black garden soil mixed with a tiny bit of Sensas Magic. This would last all weekend and the Magic would not kill the joker so you could use the same for the Sunday match, no problem. One bag of Magic would last all winter.
We used to get blokes from everywhere with their noses in our gb, - if only they knew.
Baitex did a good gudgeon gb as well but it never beat our soil

Loadsa gudgeon on the circuit we fish , especially spring time ...... been big gudgeon this season aswell  . They reckon gudgeon live in cycles , will be interesting to see the stamp next year   ;) 

ps in my experience gudgeon deffo prefer a "moving" bait whether its bulked or not !   

it was a 1 gram (yes that heavy) with a pear up float shotted to the bristle tip. Down the line was a great lump of 'iron', just a few inches from the hook

Brings back memories Bill. I ran an annual MEB team championship on the Staffs Worcs 20 odd years ago - Gailey/Rodbaston/Otherton (WAA waters then). Some of the guys in our team werent au fait with the cut so I told 'em to knock up some 1g jobbies in preperation for a practice or two - they thought I was bonkers

But they did the bizz in a tight finish on the day

They reckon gudgeon live in cycles ,

Unless theres a few in the saddle bag Dodge there ain't any in my bike.

Very good Bill.

They reckon gudgeon live in cycles ,

Unless theres a few in the saddle bag Dodge there ain't any in my bike.

Bet theres a few gudgeon livin in your hair !

Get's better.

Still give that one to Bill though Dodge.

Gunna have to crack this bag open and give it a whirl again .........

Got a bag of that stuff in the garage somewhere, probably 15 years old (better not let Jimmy Saville near it)

Gudgeon if you watch them in shoals, are in balls, so if you bulk up two inches from the deck, the weight will drop through them, thus the shotted out method.

Having said that I have used both methods, shotted out and bulk, and have cuaght well on both, or used to before the gudgeon vanished.

Baitex did a good gudgeon gb as well but it never beat our soil

Baitex Black I think Bill. Tried it the same as your IW methode, 90% molrhill and 10% Baitex. Worked, but I think Picardie was the better of the two.