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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 5:57 pm
by lloydy
I see Drennan have pulled the superleague sponsorship, can't say i blame them but it's a great shame and another nail in team fishings coffin. It's never been right since it was changed from regionals were scrapped
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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 7:08 pm
by ropa
crappity smack marvellous if thats correct, crappity smack right kick in the teeth

The leagues in the All Winners were running okay with a16 team final for the qualifiers

Where`ve yer heard this Lloydy??
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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 7:12 pm
by lloydy
It's in the mail mate

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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 7:30 pm
by bill yards
Lloydy
It was due to me that the Super League 'creamed off' the best sides to compete against each other.
When teams point blank refused to go up a league something needed doing badly.
If it had carried on as it was it probably wouldn't have lasted this long anyway.
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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 8:15 pm
by Guest
Can't say i blame them
i couldnt be crappity smack to fish a 5 team super league last year if it was the same this year i wouldn't be fishin it anyway

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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 10:29 pm
by chavey
Thats a shame, I really enjoyed the SW superleague last season. 6 matches on really good venues- 2 on Porth 2 on the Huntspill and 2 on the Bristol Avon at Newbridge, all brilliant venues without a carp in sight!!
Is it going ahead still? with another sponsor?
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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 11:17 pm
by lloydy
Lloydy
It was due to me that the Super League 'creamed off' the best sides to compete against each other.
When teams point blank refused to go up a league something needed doing badly.
If it had carried on as it was it probably wouldn't have lasted this long anyway.
I suppose sometimes we only look at our own leagues and the West Midland league seemed to be doing alright.
Can't see much of a future for team fishing except little teams of 3 and 5.
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Posted: March 10th, 2009, 11:30 pm
by lloydy
Do you think that if team fishing ceases the 3 and 5 man leagues will fall by the way side aswell.
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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 8:54 am
by bill yards
It doesn't need me to say that we are in a recession.
When you look at sponsorship in any sport or hobby as I prefer to call match fishing, how long does a regular sponsor last?
It isn't very long wherever you look. Match angling should be more than a bit grateful to Drennan for their sponsorship, they have oulasted almost every other sponsor in any other department.
I think we all loose track of this sometimes.
On a similar theme I have even heard, on several occasions, that the Kamasan has or is ruining match fishing. This is very dangerous talk and nothing but utter rubbish. The Kamasan is open to every match angler in the country and it costs nothing to enter. Nobody, at any time - least of all Kamasan, are forcing anglers to look for Kamasan qualifiers, it is purely up to the individual.
Nobody can really blame Drennan, without them would there have been these summer leagues in the first place???
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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 8:57 am
by ropa
Our league will still continue at 8 man teams, just hope something can be done on a national level, as it`s the chance to fish against the teams from around the country in semi`s and finals that drives teams on. I hope the Anglers Mail are looking into possible sponsors or another summer comp, cos this is a huge loss. Whats the cost to a sponsor to run the Drennan???
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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 9:20 am
by bill yards
Eh up Ropa,
I sincerely hope something does come along to replace the Drennan or even carry it on in the same format.
It is not too difficult to work out what huge sums of money firms like Drennan have ploughed back into our sport (hobby).
If you take the Kamasan, the full placings and payouts will soon be listed. If you add the cost of these to the final and all the other bits and pieces you get quite an alarming figure and as you know they do this year after year.

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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 9:56 am
by joffmiester
i would like to thank drennan for years of support over the years and after every final we took part in i made the point of phoning them up and thanking them personally.great finals and well run leagues but after last years super league the writing was on the walls
no one wanted to fish against barnsley and no other teams wanted to enter our super-league yet small divisions worked well[and get to the final]
we did hundreds of miles for 40 peg matches
i wonder if its a knock on affect as the best teams get the best choice of anglers and that has affected the smaller teams competing against the big teams.everyone wants to win at the start but heads naturally drop if the same team takes all the money
I've just read where barnsley have signed more anglers young anglers fare play they are looking to build on what is already a strong team yet where are they going to fish and who against .there squad must be 20 strong yet only 10 anglers will only ever fish at one time so thats 20 less anglers all the time [I'm not getting at barnsleyas the other big 4 are in the same boat]
starlets,barnsley one has a lot of the best anglers up north and the other has from the midlands
dorking are different they are capable of getting all the top anglers in the country and thats the price of success.but at what price to the match fishing seen
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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 10:34 am
by joffmiester
leicester are guilty of this in the leicester area when we had the results everyone wanted to fish for us then trentmen came on the seen after there area collapsed and no one wanted to fish against them one or two anglers went to them .now i get the feeling that as the credit crunch hits hard no one will want to fish against both of us :( :(in the coming season
last year the summer league was a top event with 11 teams of 6 anglers and we picked our teams out of a hat [leicester have two teams in the league]so this didn't get one sided and will do the same this year. yet one or two are moaning about trentmen being in the league

what is wrong with competitive competition any more
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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 8:22 pm
by endpeg
Very sad to see a big team event like this fold and Drennan must be commended for supporting it for so long. One very twisted way of looking at it is that Dorking has had £5k in sponsorship off Drennan for the last few years - although its possibly cost them this much to win it each time! I hope something takes it over but one argument always voiced has been about fixture congestion in summer so this will at least free the calendar up. Perhaps it will even bring the Nationals back into peoples priorities? I for one am raring to give the Div 1 a proper shot this year and i honestly think this is 'the' year to put summer canal fishing back on the radar!

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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 8:43 pm
by lloydy
what is wrong with competitive competition any more
Money Joff, lets get back to the winning team getting a trophy. These leagues were getting expensive to enter plus sponsorship for the same teams to take all the money out, lets have leagues where all it costs to enter are peg fees(paid up front so organiser can pay them before league) plus reasonable pools, your not going to drag teams in to fish against the best with great big pools. Also these are team matches so lets have the payout mainly section oriantated.
What do you think
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Posted: March 11th, 2009, 10:23 pm
by Woodhouse
The problem is that angling is so diverse.
Some anglers want £5 all in...
some anglers want £20 pools
some want to sit and catch 4 chub to win the match
some anglers think Chub should be banned
Should only fish Worm and joker some want it banned...
Possibly the worse and best thing about fishing is that you make up your own rules
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Posted: March 12th, 2009, 7:47 am
by bill yards
Three points that would, in my book, improve the match circuit as a whole.
1) Let the match organisers organise. The competitors, in no shape or form should abuse organires or get involved into any of the politics of running matches. If they have a gripe a simple way of doing it is to put it into writing.
2) Fish ALL matches to NFA Rules. The number of times I have read on here that match fishing should be more 'PROFESSIONAL' is ridiculous. OK I know what is nmeant but 'PROFESSIONAL' is the wrong word. It is amateur, should be and always be.
To fish to NFA Rules would be a small step in the right direction, they are so easy to administer and EVERYONE knows where they stand.
3) And probably a bit controversial. How about going back to the days of, say 15 or 16 in team squads. In my view it would benefit the future England set up as it would encourage, hopefully, more all round fishing. True, some teams would be weaker at some disciplines but so what.
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Posted: March 12th, 2009, 10:11 am
by joffmiester
again good points coming out lloydys right in a way trophies are all you get in the European circuit
take a look at the sensas final in France
money is only a very small part of this event
tackle prizes are a big part every team gets something
individuals only get trophies
yet if we qualify i would be the first to book a weeks holiday in fact i would fish everyone if i could
so lloydys points are a strong case to reintroduce trophies yet lee's comments point to the problem we have right now
would DNW,STARLETS,DORKING,TIPTON,SHAKESPEARE and the other top teams of traveled to the teams of eight for trophies.yet in europe teams travel north to south country to country to fish competitions the differents is competitions over in europe are often two days or two 3hr per day and probably take place twice a month perhaps like jon said our calander is so crowded
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Posted: March 12th, 2009, 10:36 am
by joffmiester
this a better picture
the two screens show all the action and anglers through out the competition and on the far right are tables of prizes i know this is one of the biggest competitions but there are hundreds of smaller ones that include food as well
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Posted: March 12th, 2009, 10:36 am
by Dodge