plastic blood worm...

sibeck · #1

has anyone used them if so are they any good? and where can i get them? just after a method that will be a bit quicker when i got lots of fish in my swim

thanks

#2

Banned in matches....

They dont work anyway.

#3

Have you used them Lee

#4

You mean these Sibeck

http://www.mullarkeys.co.uk/fishing/all ... kley/6867/

Not used 'em myself, but I know a man who has.......

#5

Banned in matches....

Interesting one that Chockie Munster - are they

My initial thoughts were in agreement with your comment, but after looking a rule 11 in the NFA model rules I ainst so sure......

It reads

11. Any bait, subject to local rules, can be used except live or dead fish, frogs spinning baits or artificial lures.

No mention of artificial 'baits' - only 'artificial lures'

What's the definition of a lure in the context of this rule

sibeck · #6

their the ones tk....... not so sure their banned in all matches though lee, unless some people are cheating

....... thanks for that link i been looking everywere for them

.......... be nice to find some solid answere to the rule of using them... my initial thoughts were they are an artificial bait not lure so i would class them as legal to use in a match.......tk has that man had any success on them?

#7

tk

If it is plastic it is not a bait, a bait is edible

they are edible so they would be OK.

still sh!t though.

#8

It all depends on what Rules, if any, you are fishing to.

My interpretation of it is that plastic bloodworm would be barred.

At the end of the day, by definition, a lure is a bait so artificial lures are barred.

If you want a full clarification on this I can eaasily find out but from memory this point has been brought up before.

#9

Sorry missed an important point out in my last post.

My interpretion, within Angling Trust Rules ........

Too much ale

#10

has that man had any success on them

Sent you a pm Sibeck

Got me thinking this one has Bill

Artificial - the definition in the Encarta dictionary is 'Made by human beings rather than occurring naturally' and 'made in imitation of something natural'

Re 'rather than occurring naturally' - what about luncheon meat or even bread............neither occur naturally and both are made by human beings.

Within the strict definitions above, if 'artificial lures' as quoted in the NFA rule 11 doesnt specifically (only) mean those thingies

you tie on your line and usually use to catch predators, shouldnt bread and 'processed meats' be banned too

me · #11

tk i agree with you totaly, you could even take it to include pellets or even cooked hemp as by cookin it you are forcing it to split. The list is endless and would back to the basics of the only allowd baits would be such as worm (all types inc blood and lob ect), mmaggy, squat, pinkie, caster ect ect.

joffmiester · #12

Roy Marlow's new chinese company do some rubber b/worms they looked and felt pretty good but i lost the ones he gave me before i could try them

#13

Bread or meat are not barred in Angling Trust Rules.

There may be a local Rule that bans the use of any particular bait, whatever it may be. Earlier this year the Division One National in these parts was run with a ban on pellets and boilies.

There used to be a rubber based solution that actually looked like a bloodworm when squeezed from a tube, I think it was called Mystic. It was very realistic but was banned as an 'artificial bait'.

It is one of those difficult things to put into words but as far as I know all plastic, rubber, synthetic baits that are made to look like 'edible' baits are barred.

There are lots of fisheries that do ban these anyway; someone might correct me but they can not be used at Shatterford.

At the end of the day if you fish matches not to Angling Trust Rules you can allow basically what you want but it does mean drawing up a whole set of Rules for the matches involved and that is not quite as easy as it sounds.

The Rules with the Angling Trust have been made up over many years.

#14

Bread or meat are not barred in Angling Trust Rules.

I was just being pedantic Bill and looking to stimulate a bit of debate on this one.......although it might be interesting if anyone ever raised the point formally - possibly in their defence - if they'd erred and been challenged for using a 'banned' substance in a match environment.......

sibeck · #15

i think if i was to fish a national and knew they work i would use them.......... i can honestly say iv never cheated

11. Any bait, subject to local rules, can be used except live or dead fish, frogs spinning baits or artificial lures.

that rule to me states that you can use it as artificial blood worm doesnt fall into the catogry of any of the above in my opinion

#16

The point has been raised before re Mystic.
It was banned because it was an artificial bait (lure).

If my memory is right it was a 'type' of rubber solution.
Whichever way anyone looks at it plastic is synthetically produced.

My dictionary definition of synthetic is 'artificial' - check yours out, I am sure it will say the same.

Can we talk about cowpats?

#17

Can we talk about cowpats?

Yep course we can Bill - as cowpats occur naturally they aint banned.........but if too fresh they are a sod to hook

me · #18

but when they are dried and go hard they make right frizbies